A coincidence demands a second post today – because I have urgent news to pass on. EPIX is giving advance access to episode 1 of BS 3!!!!
https://www.epix.com/series/berlin-station/season/3/episode/1/aut-concilio-aut-ense
Unfortunately doesn’t work for me, but maybe anyone in the US can access the episode?
I saw the news courtesy of Slavyanka and mooseturds on Twitter, accompanied by this lovely screenshot:
ooooh, I see tragedy in that frown…
And in Kathy’s poetic words:
Screenshot found at me+richard
So, have a look guys – I
Guylty Pleasure 
Cool beans! I’m gonna try it out tonight at home and will let you know!!! No spoilers just if I was able to view it
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Looks like you were fashion-forward with the Latin, Guylty! 😉
It won’t work for me either, so wishing you better luck, Michele. Here’s hoping they don’t do a Strike Back Season Two on him.
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Jenny yeah I know but I’m chopping at the bits to view BS3 Ep1 I won’t lie but if it is viewing on EPIX now I’ll keep mum on it until after Sunday’s viewing 👀🤫😉
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[spoiler] Well, it looks as if he might survive episode 1… Haven’t seen it yet, but just judging from the love fest on Twitter…
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Try proxfree. It worked for me.Make sure you paste the YouTube URL.
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LOL. Loved the Daniel image of him on ice. Perfect image to go with my lame ode.
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Kathy ode was far from lame you expressed poetically what most of us are thinking 😉🤔😘
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Definitely needed some ice-cold Danny to go with that ode, Kathy…
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I could only see the 3 clips but it appears they are fleshing out Daniel’s mother’s death.
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Yep, that’s what I took from the trailer/BTS with Richard and Mina. Finally! I’ve been waiting for that since season 1… And I am suddenly feeling a little bit hopeful about season 3…
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I watched it. He’s front and center the whole episode.
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Well, that is great news. Can’t wait to see it, too.
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Thank you Besotted, that’s wonderful! 😍
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Check your email. If it works, let me know and anyone else having issues can contact me!
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Zee did you watch the first episode? Are you gonna blog on it?
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I’ve started it. Don’t know if I’ll get to finish it this week. Have absolutely craziness this week – I’m going to be out MOnday and Tuesday and i need to write lesson plans, on top of lessons and work sheets for 2 days for the group next week (who are my hell week) plus seating charts and grades. Oh an I still have 4 days to finish the next chapter of my Nanowrimo –
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I’m super curious what you think!!
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Right now, I”m just juggling a lot! LOL! I might watch it in bed Friday night
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I saw it and liked it way more than I thought I would. Many lashgasms, super closeups and lots of screen time. Anything more than that would be a spoiler, right?
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Or a generalized whine. I’m biting my tongue….
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Besotted, Did you like it or not? I’m chopping at the bit to discuss it but can’t….
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Fingers crossed it’ll be a quick send-off for Daniel, so I can stop watching this show. Once again they’ve shown how little they know/ care about suspense. Really? Are we supposed to watch a whole season to know who “Diver” is when it’s clear since he opens his mouth before 5′ of the 1st episode? They have treaded this path before; remember Thomas Shaw?
Oh, please, please! Have Richard return to British television asap.
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I just saw Ep 2 just really really upset and angry at this show!! I totally get your reaction now !!
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US people:
Are they gonna release the whole thing preemptively? What gives?
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Kate it is very bizarre marketing… I’m gonna watch EP2 tonight then if it is up on EPIX channel. I need a glass of wine too while I watch this unfold…
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This was the same marketing strategy they used for Seasons 1 and 2, showing the first two episodes back-to-back for free.
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Oh ok thank you.. I didn’t join the club until this year… have you seen Ep 2 yet?
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I have and it’s lived up to my expectations; you can do the math. Don’t want to spoil anything for anyone.
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Got it! I’ve prepared myself for the worst. Those two going to Tallinn completely unprepared they didn’t learn anything from 2 seasons in Berlin
I can see why people are disappointed with this show now. Lightbulb is on 🙄😢🤯
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And the episode was written by a woman!! Just beyond upset
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Yep – weird. Are they that desperate and hence give it away for free?
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Well, kinda makes sense. Get people hooked, so they want to see the rest.
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Yeah, but if you only have 6 episodes in total… you’re giving away a lot for free…
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yep I agree totally with you Guylty, their marketing sucks…
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Well, let’s be honest, BS’s showrunners and and marketing department have never been the sharpest tool in the box. The first two episodes confirm everything the spoilerish trailers suggested.
[SPOILER] I was looking forward to give up watching this show and now I can. Bring it on, Richard, time to move onto greener and, hopefully, British pastures. We’ve been sorely missed.
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Damn! I meant “giving” after “look forward to”, I hate that WP doesn’t have an edit button.
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And “you” not “We” in the last sentence. Jeez! I need holidays asap. This is what happens when a tutor’s overtaxed with heaps of paper marking.
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Holidays are coming soon, though!!
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🙂 never mind. It still made sense!
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Thought so, but I’m an English teacher so I should be extra-careful with my typing and go over what I write before pressing send.
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I’m a sworn translator—I write stupid stuff all the time. 😂
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LOL
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I know the feeling. Ex English teacher myself. And now journalist and translator. The whole correct spelling thing is an obsession with me…
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Oh Gott, Lehrer sind die Schlimmsten 🙄😉. Wo bin ich hier nur hingeraten 😂?!
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Keine Angst. Schon seit 20 Jahren außer Dienst.
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Haven’t seen the second episode yet, so can’t fully tell.
But well, I have to admit I liked episode 1 better than I expected…
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I thought it was ten this time? Am I confused?
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It is 10 this time..
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Sorry, I just used any kind of number.
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Yep just answering Kate’s question…
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Kate that is very optimistic of you, Funny if you end up really liking this season and I don’t…
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I’m not talking about myself. I’m just saying it’s a common marketing strategy. They’ll probably end ep. 2 on a cliffhanger and hope it will lure people in. If it weren’t for RA, they could give me money and I probably wouldn’t have tried it.
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Ouch oooooo
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I mean, I don’t hate it with the passion of a thousand burning suns, otherwise I wouldn’t watch—even for our darling Richard—but I have very little time, so this isn’t what I would usually spend it on.
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It would be interesting to get your opinion of the historical value of what is going on which you will see what I mean after you watch it tonight…
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I just finished. It’s actually a huge question I have about the beginning. Idk if it’s factual or not about the mayhem.
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Bingo – exactly my question, too. I have the strong suspicion that they took liberties with that. Afaik none of that happened on the 9th of November 1989 but only later.
And it’s exactly these kinds of inaccuracy that are used to bring more drama into the show, that really disappoint me. Especially because there were plenty of Germans involved in making the show…
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Was ich gut fand, war der DDR-Soldat, der gesagt hat „Ich mach‘ rüber!“ Die sprachliche Nuance war schön.
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Fand ich zwar nett, erschien mir aber etwas altmodisch-anachronistisch. Haben die das tatsächlich 1989 noch gesagt? Ich kannte diese Ausdrucksweise schon von meinen Verwandten in den 60er und 70er Jahren…
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Keine Ahnung. Hatte aber einen gewissen Aha-Effekt (für Deutsche), also lass‘ ich das durchgehen. Ich bin ja kein Geschichtsprofessor. 😉 Aber Berliner sprechen ja schon eine spezielle Sprache. 😂
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Stimmt – ich hab ganz vergessen, dass das ja auch Deutsch kam. (Manchmal merk ich gar nicht mehr, in welcher Sprache ich mich gerade bewege… auch irgendwie leicht irr im Kopp!) Da gebe ich dir nun doch Recht!
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Das geht mir oft so. Ich versuch‘ neulich einen Witz zu erzählen und merk‘ auf halber Strecke, dass der in der gewählten Sprache keinen Sinn ergibt, da Sprachwitz. 😂😂
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Hahaha, genau, ich muss da manchmal auch auf halber Strecke umkehren…
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Yep that is why I said the word disturbing… more the Estonia scenes than the Berlin Wall. That scene was to set up Diver re Daniel’s mommy but I think from the trailers it gets much worse…
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The Estonia mayhem or Berlin Wall?
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Neither – at least in my case. I was only referring to the mayhem in the MfS. (Berlin Wall scenario is accurate, of course.)
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Yes, the wall scene is accurate. Sorry, didn’t make that clear. I meant the mayhem in the MfS was over the top Hollywood.
And Estonia is of course completely made up, right?
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Yes!! Why they gave permission to use their country is beyond me!!!
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Yep, the events in and around Estonia seem to be fictional, too, beginning with the president as a former MfS victim.
Again, I am not really fond of that. Estonia may be a small country, but it is not fiction but real.
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I actually prefer clearly fictional. At least you know what’s up. It’s like James Bond. Only Hallmark Christmas movies use made up European principalities.
It’s the commingling of fact and fiction with out clear delineation I find more problematic.
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Totally agree. And said the same in my just-published review.
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Berlin
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Ok, und nun noch mal eben nur für uns beide hier das vorläufige Ergebnis meiner Recherche: Wir haben Recht:
” am Morgen des 4. Dezember 1989, wurde die Bezirksstelle des AfNS in Erfurt von Bürgern besetzt, nachdem bekannt geworden war, dass die Stasi-Akten vernichtet werden sollten.[17] Am Abend desselben Tages folgten Bezirksdienststellen in Leipzig, Suhl und Rostock. Besetzungen in den anderen Bezirksstädten und zuletzt am 15. Januar 1990 in der Berliner Zentrale folgten.[18] Mit der Einrichtung von Bürgerwachen und Bürgerkomitees begann die erzwungene Auflösung des AfNS und die Aufarbeitung der Tätigkeit des MfS.” Also KEINE Plünderzustände im herrenlosen MfS am 9. November, sondern wenn, dann ganz ruhig, ohne brennende Tonnen und hereinspazierende Bürger.
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Aha! Ja, das war mir doch ein bisschen zu Hollywood.
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Eindeutig. Ich war jedenfalls total vor den Kopf geschlagen – als ehemalige Geschichtslehrerin war ich irgendwie total erstaunt, dass ich nicht wusste, dass da gleich am 9. November im MfS Kahlschlag gemacht wurde. Phew – aber dann also doch Hollywood-Überdramatisierung. Gottseidank. Hatte schon an mir gezweifelt.
Aber es bleibt dabei – ich finds doof, dass die beteiligten deutschen Mitarbeiter da nicht mal was sagen…
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Siehste, als Anglist/Hispanist bin ich da in meiner Unwissenheit entschuldigt.
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Hehe. Nö. Als Deutsche hast du da totale Wissensverpflichtung *grins*
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Mist!
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😉
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Ha – that’s something that I am curious about, too. Tbh I had my doubts about the accuracy of some of the things that were shown… I have to research first, though.
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Klinke mich hier noch kurz ein: Ihr beide müsstet doch spätestens seit S2 wissen, dass die Vorgänge in Deutschland in ein paar unwesentlichen Details von der Darstellung in der Serie abweichen 😉. Es muss ja zur Dramaturgie passen. Da kann Diver schlecht drei Monate warten, bis er ins Stasi-Hauptquartier marschiert, in dem wahrscheinlich gar keine Gefangenen saßen. Meiner Meinung nach sind auch die Ereignisse an der Mauer am 9. November nicht korrekt dargestellt, aber da überlass ich die Einschätzung besser ehemaligen Geschichtslehrerinnen 😉. “Ich mach rüber” find ich dagegen realistisch.
So oder so, es gibt so einige Ereignisse in der ersten Folge, die zumindest mir unrealistisch/unlogisch erscheinen. Aber da ich im Gegensatz zu den Machern nicht davon ausgehe, dass die Serie wahnsinnig aktuell, realistisch oder historisch genau ist, könnte ich damit leben. Wenn sie nur nicht ständig darauf hinweisen würden, dass BS eben genau das sei.
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Genau dein letzter Satz ist eben der Knackpunkt. Das hatte ich auch bei Staffel 2 schon so moniert. Ist alles ok, wenn man Geschichte oder Gegenwart fiktionalisiert. Nur darf man dann nicht dauernd behaupten, man sei extremst nah an der Wirklichkeit dran.
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😂😂😂
„Da kann Diver schlecht drei Monate warten, bis er ins Stasi-Hauptquartier marschiert, in dem wahrscheinlich gar keine Gefangenen saßen.“ Sehr treffend formuliert!!
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That’s largely arguable if you’re a fan of Richard’s, I’m afraid.
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Well, they’re not solely focused on the RArmy. All we see is Richard, but I hear there’s other people on this show. 🤷🏻♀️ Some guy named Liam Orlando, or something?😉
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LOL Liam Orlando..
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I know. It’s an American show and. despite the Hobbit trilogy and Hannibal, Richard isn’t a household name in The States.
Still, the fact remains that their marketing strategy and editing isn’t up to par. They give away a lot not just in the trailers but very early into the season when the audience- not only Richard’s fans- should be kept guessing about the identity of the man Daniel wants to uncover or what happens to the alleged lead of the show. I don’t think it’s a way to keep anyone hooked not even those who are AA members.
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… even those who AREN’T AA members.
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Ummm no comment….
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It’s been their strategy to show the first two episodes back-to.back for free since Season 1.
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Guess it makes sense for the US because it’s PayTV?
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Us US people thank you German people for the heads up!👍👏😘
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And now for something completely the same: Will there be anything left to answer for the Q&A after airing two episodes??
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That is a great point!! Why even do a QA/ummm maybe a followup Tweet to Mr. Orser is in order Kate?!
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No. No, no, no. What’s the point? We’re gonna know soon enough.
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Oh alright I thought I’d give it a try…
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Well, looks as if there won’t be any need for him to be present…
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😐 I at least want lots of bts from this. It felt like most questions were for him or is that my mind muddled by fan bias?
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I agree I think most of the questions were probably for him and now everyone hopefully will ask or tweet what happened to Daniel? Is he alive?
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No idea – I didn’t follow the call for Q submissions. (I rarely take part in such – because I am miffed that none of my Qs have ever been chosen. A case of “beleidigte Leberwurst”, as you can see.)
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I’d be miffed too..nothing on Twitter announced?
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I don’t think so. But as I said, I have given up on following anything like that anymore.
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I went a little nuts and submitted a question, so I checked the # and it seemed like there was an RA bias.
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I would hope so!!! He probably won’t be there unless he’s in LA for that QA session. My guess it is Friday if nothing was announced today on Twitter…
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Well done for checking that out. We’ll see whether the answers will reflect that.
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Now, RTing this is really asking for it, Mr. A! But I will refrain from commenting. 🤭
#FishingForCompliments?
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Yep a bit tacky on his part🙄🤭😱🤯
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Oh, I was joking about the # Fishing. I think it’s more of a *wink wink*
If he wants to joke about that, it’s fine by me. I just meant for a guy who (supposedly) has issues with people being, shall we say forward, about his physical attributes, this is inviting a certain type of comment. Then again… #BlueTickEchoChamber
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Right Kate!!! 😘🤣🤣🤣👀🎯🤷♀️
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Operating in a vacuum…
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Just finished the second episode. Can’t say anything in case I spoil something for someone. However, I have to admit, I feel like the dullest tool in the box. I have no idea who Diver is. I guess I should watch the episodes with captions, maybe I am not hearing everything. Other than that, I have an avalanche of words waiting to burst forth , but I am trying to keep my mouth shut (or fingers immobile.)
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To me it was the voice, not what he said that makes me think I have an idea who Diver is. Of course I’ll probably find out very soon that I was completely off. 😂
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Yes, it was the voice that did it for me. It’s a very recognisable register.
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Lillianschild I’m upset at the level of violence displayed and written by a woman I’m still shaking 2 hours later
It’s so wrong on so many levels 🤦♀️🤷♀️🤯🤭
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Huh? I don’t even remember him saying anything… I better go back and check that out…
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Well, Servetus identified the voice as well and coincides with the name I came up with; she even uses the name of the character to refer to Diver.
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Yep I thought it was the same person too. Just look at his body shape and how he walks and the voice.. has to be him can’t be Cromwell b/c he’s too tall and thin..
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Yep, I just read her post (and kicked myself that I stepped into that spoiler trap. I would’ve preferred to keep that mystery going. But well, my own fault…). It does confirm what I suspected, too, although I wasn’t at all as 100% sure as you all seem to be.
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Aww, sorry. It was so obvious to me from the get go, but I didn’t say it out loud anywhere for fear of spoiling someone. But maybe we’re all wrong and I’ll eat my words later.
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No, I think you are all right. It looks pretty obvious to me now, too – it’s just that I didn’t want to believe it in light of previous seasons…
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Jenkins alludes to it in the interview snippet..
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Does he? OMG, what a spoiler!!!
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He says something to the affect that a secret from S1 is revealed and is unexpected not in those words but I think he’s like Orser can’t keep a secret to save himself…
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Ah, I see. It kind of makes sense when knowing what we know now.
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Yeah I kind of twitch my head when he said it then seeing Ep 1 and the figure looked an awful lot like him and he spoke I said that voice is familiar and Hector would have been too young in 1989 and is too tall and lanky. Jenkins was pretty sprite for moving up those stairs and if they had put him in the opening credits duh right?
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Kathy I’m really upset at all of it. Diver you’ll get just think about the body type and time period
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I going to watch it again with the volume turned up. Maybe that will help. Thanks for the hint. You are right about the violence. It is surprisingly excessive, but TBH, it doesn’t bother me too much. One of my guilty pleasures is The Walking Dead. Although zombies are over the top, sort of cartoon type violent and BS violence seemed to be up close and personal, which makes it more intense. And you are right to be upset by all of it. Me too.
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Yeah I’m gonna watch on Sunday Ep 1 again b/c I missed a lot of Daniel and Esther chatting since I could barely hear Richard er Daniel and I didn’t get the Spy book he gave her I totally missed what that was. I will never see Ep 2 ever again! I think I have never been so disturbed and upset not …
My sis watches Walking Dead and got upset that Andrew Lincoln left the show. I saw the first episode and I told her if they attack the horse I’m done and she said look away ! That was it for me and that show! You’re very sweet for your kind words! I don’t even care about the QA anymore!
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The Spy vs Spy book is a humorous compilation of cartoons that were originally a popular monthly feature in Mad Magazine. They were adversaries always trying to do each other in, and never successful. Kind of like Wiley Coyote trying to catch Road Runner. Have to give a shout out to Mimi (known to comment here and queen of ” what a girl wants” memes and Nighflight Comics) for educating me a bit on comics and their creators. The cartoonist is Antonio Prohias and he is revered in the comic industry. Bet that is more information than you needed or wanted to know.
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Thanks for the background, Kathy. I didn’t know that. I just chuckled at the title.
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🙂
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Kathy, thank you for the back story on that book. I had no idea when Daniel gave Esther the book so quickly and my poor eyesight I was straining to hear and see what was going on!! You’re poem is quite prophetic!!!
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Oh, thanks for the background info. I did notice the title of the book and thought it was funny, but I didn’t realise that it was actually a real book. I thought they had just mocked it up.
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I certainly identify with you. We’ll have to hold back for a couple of weekends. I’m sure there’ll be an avalanche then.
Captions won’t work. It isn’t the words but the voice that gives his identity away.
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Well, I have caught up with you, Kathy. Watched ep 2 this morning. Haven’t reviewed it yet, but yeah, I think I had a similar reaction than most…
As for Diver’s identity – I have a hunch, but I am by now means certain that I know who…
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Yeah you are right. I don’t think I’ve ever felt this emotional about a show in a very long time!!!
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My emotions usually tend to be anger rather than upset… and I am very easily offended, too, when show runners play with the facts or when they presume that the audience is dumb. A lot of that has applied to BS in the past…
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I think that is it right there I’m offended at the entire direction of the show right off the bat as those two are entering Talinn… like no no no don’t go there plot wise, character wise,
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Yep. It’s kind of obvious that it’s all going to go pear-shaped.
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I think the writers broke the golden rule of action/suspense. Never have the plot rely on characters doing something stupid over and over again. For instance, “let’s split up”, or “I can’t wait for backup”. I am not going to give BS examples (spoilers) but man, there are more than a few.
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Spot on, Kathy. I thought exactly the same and wondered whether I was being too chicken…
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I’m annoyed by it but then again has there ever been a show that got that shit right? Every damn cop/agent/FBI show has at least one scene where the arrester yells “Stop, police/FBI/NCIS, you are under arrest” from half a mile away so we can have the obligatory chasing the suspect scene, instead of just casually strolling up to the arrestee and clapping some cuffs on them. *heavy eyeroll*
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Daniel never id himself to the Russian? Did he ID himself to Sophia? The Russian paramilitary was after the pillbox and Daniel got in the way right? Am I missing something?
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I meant in general. That was not a BS-specific gripe. I just meant the genre comes with this stupid cliches that drive the plot forward and us insane (no backup, my arrest scenario, etc.).
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Kate oh yeah I knew you were just giving examples but I’m asking did Daniel ever ID himself to anyone except Torres? Not to the Russian paramilitary thug nor to Sophia? Nor even to Henrik really right?
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I think Henrik knew who he and Robert were. Other than that, not really iirc.
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maybe we all need to suspend our disbelief more. Or expectation management.
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Yep you are reading my mind now.. expectation management indeed
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Definitely both. And I manage that fine, usually, but when you get down to discussing a show like we do now, with intense focus on a favorite and so on, you tend to zero in on the rest as well and that makes enjoyment much harder to come by (at least for me).
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In a way we are unfairly over-discerning. But then again, high expectations also mean that we value something quite high and trust that what we expect *could* be achievable…
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I know. It must be possible to do better than that.
On that count I want to stress something positive about BS. The fact that they seem to hire people who actually speak the languages that are their supposed mother tongues (for sure with the Germans, I can only guess with the Russian/Estonian speakers–they sound very convincing to me, but I have no way of knowing) is a big plus. Too often we get some American actor absolutely slaughtering the dialogue that was messed up beyond recognition grammatically and idiomatically by the writers beforehand, that I have to give them credit here. I always sit there screaming: “Hire a f*cking translator. We ain’t that expensive!” much to my GG’s delight.
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Kate, Daniel speaking Russian a tad in Ep 2 was delightful!! But excellent point about hiring actors who speak the language and crew members and hopefully translators (looking at you kid!)
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*pssssst* 😉 We’ll get there, soon!
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You? Chicken? Never! And with all the show’s faults, I loved seeing RA again, looking wonderful except for the weird mushroom hair. Also loved seeing his beautiful smile in a cozy-looking bed. Beautiful setting for him.
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Oh dear…….feeling sick 😥😥
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I’m almost afraid to watch now.
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I know, I know…
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I watched only the first few minutes of the free episode one because I’ve decided to save the whole thing until I watch the first two seasons (I know, bad fangirl, bad fangirl!). But I had to see that bedhead! Oh…swoon. And “I’ll show you a superpower”?! Double swoon!
But having seen only that bit of the show, even *I* can tell who “Diver” is, just from knowing the cast list. Sigh. Obviously I won’t be watching this show for its great surprise twists. My brother and I LOVED Mad Magazine when we were kids, and Spy vs. Spy was my absolute favorite, so that was a real treat to see (even if DM was giving it–hahaha–to the wrong brunette).
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Well, good idea to go through the previous to seasons first. Although that’ll be tough-going at times… Hope you can catch up soon. (And if you do, hopefully you’ll also get much more material for your RL RA series!)
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Oh, I forgot to say: Kathy, I LOVE your poem!
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Thanks,LL. I loved Mad Magazine too.I still remember some of its parodies from years ago. A favorite was “Star Drek”.
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